As I recall, the AFEMME was an exhibition race series this year. Didn't the proponents of the series specifically state that this year was not for a championship?

I recognize and applaud what the proponents of the Afemme class did this year but I would hope that they would keep to their word.

Scotty

is there something in the rulebook stating that an exhibition class can't get trophies/plaques/awards? i mean, i know we're not actually going for a top 10 plate and its not a "real" class, but it sure woujld mean a lot to us. we paid the same entry fees as everyone else, and i'm pretty sure at some point that money from the girl's class is helping to subsidize the cost of the plaques we're getting.

J.Higa wrote:is there something in the rulebook stating that an exhibition class can't get trophies/plaques/awards? i mean, i know we're not actually going for a top 10 plate and its not a "real" class, but it sure woujld mean a lot to us. we paid the same entry fees as everyone else, and i'm pretty sure at some point that money from the girl's class is helping to subsidize the cost of the plaques we're getting.

Unfortunately, nothing is subsidizing anything this year. 2009 is bigtime in the red and all funds raised reduce the red a little. If adding or splitting a class means $210 in subsidized banquet fees plus $200 in plaques, that needs to be added to the equation for future classes. Hopefully all the ladies who ran the class still ran all the other classes they were planning to run so the fees were an increase to the club.

Either way, I am happy the class exists and look forward to it growing and becoming more and more attended.

Formula AFemme is on the trophy list

http://www.afmracing.org/downloads/download_banquet_award_winners_09.pdf

So it looks like you are entitled to all the trappings associated with that...

Congratulations.

Remember to prepare your statements and get them to Kristen.

675 Trip wrote:

Unfortunately, nothing is subsidizing anything this year. 2009 is bigtime in the red and all funds raised reduce the red a little. If adding or splitting a class means $210 in subsidized banquet fees plus $200 in plaques, that needs to be added to the equation for future classes. Hopefully all the ladies who ran the class still ran all the other classes they were planning to run so the fees were an increase to the club.

most of the girls who ran the girl's class did so on top of their regular classes. and a lot of the girls who weren't even going to race this year did so just to race in formula afemme.
I paid for 41 sprint races this year with the AFM alone
DNS'd 3--ok so make that 38 sprint races, AND i paid for all Saturday practices. Damn, someone just give me a prize for spending the most money with the AFM already.

J.Higa wrote:


most of the girls who ran the girl's class did so on top of their regular classes. and a lot of the girls who weren't even going to race this year did so just to race in formula afemme. I paid for 41 sprint races this year with the AFM alone DNS'd 3--ok so make that 38 sprint races, AND i paid for all Saturday practices. Damn, someone just give me a prize for spending the most money with the AFM already.

Wow...that's a lot of races, Joy! I really enjoyed watching you dice it up at or near the front this year!

rrracing99 wrote:

J.Higa wrote:


most of the girls who ran the girl's class did so on top of their regular classes. and a lot of the girls who weren't even going to race this year did so just to race in formula afemme. I paid for 41 sprint races this year with the AFM alone DNS'd 3--ok so make that 38 sprint races, AND i paid for all Saturday practices. Damn, someone just give me a prize for spending the most money with the AFM already.

Wow...that's a lot of races, Joy! I really enjoyed watching you dice it up at or near the front this year!

thanks kathy, can't wait for next year!! yay!!

Me too...Joy's totally my hero!

so berto whatcha doin' later on tonight? LOL!! jk. but seriously, thanks to all the board members for making the girl's class happen, we're all having such a great time!! and karen and bess are just waiting for thunderhill to come around so they can race there too!!

Thank you Joy for all your hard work and running so many races.

It's great to see the girls out there.

My thoughts on cost per class were more about splitting F40 into yet a 3rd class (hopefully it will increase ridership).

Giving 3 place awards for classes that had a max of 6 or 8 in one race of the year and totaled near and sometimes less than 30 paid entries in the year (super dino, vintage, (1 trophy) 250 prod, 250 super come to mind). it wouldn't be too hard to do a quick analysis and see how many entries per year per class, but it seems like giving top 3 for a class of 3 regulars is a show up and get a free banquet and trophy class. not exactly what the racers or the club had in mind, i'm sure.

I would like to run the numbers and discuss doing awards for top n where n=(paid entries per year / race meets)/3 with no rounding, so a class that averaged 9 would get top 3, 6-8 would get top 2, 3-5 get top 1, less than 3 top 0 (sorry, get more people to race with you or just do it for fun)

For particularly large classes, I would like to see more awards, again based on an entry formula, so those classes getting 40+ riders every race meet get top 5 or something like that.

The banquet cost of $35 doesn't actually cover the cost per head, so Inc. board subsidizes each attendee. If adding another class means $70 per award slot for banquet (+ subsidy) + $50-$75 award, it needs to be considered.

I think AFemme did a good job of getting the attendance up, so I am not directly referring to that class.


Ran out of time... Will continue later

[run the numbers and discuss doing awards for top n where n=(paid entries per year / race meets)/3 with no rounding, so a class that averaged 9 would get top 3, 6-8 would get top 2, 3-5 get top 1, less than 3 top 0 (sorry, get more people to race with you or just do it for fun) ]

that's the way it has been done in the past, and might even be in the rulebook. have a look. in the past 600sb trophied to 5th or 6th.


[so Inc. board subsidizes each attendee]

the board doesn't subsidize anything. the members do.

PantyBuncher wrote:[run the numbers and discuss doing awards for top n where n=(paid entries per year / race meets)/3 with no rounding, so a class that averaged 9 would get top 3, 6-8 would get top 2, 3-5 get top 1, less than 3 top 0 (sorry, get more people to race with you or just do it for fun) ]

that's the way it has been done in the past, and might even be in the rulebook. have a look. in the past 600sb trophied to 5th or 6th.

Pretty sure it is not in the rulebook or it wouldn't be top 3 all around this year.

The only specification for awards in the 2009 rulebook was 6.2.5 specifying the 1-10 plates.

Not saying they are going to get trophies, free banquets, etc. those things are customary.

PantyBuncher wrote:
[so Inc. board subsidizes each attendee]

the board doesn't subsidize anything. the members do.

The Inc BOD sets the banquet price. they set it below cost to encourage attendance.

Technically the members pay for everything (past and current thought fees and donations) but that perspective is like saying you individually pay for your neighbors kid to go to school because you pay property taxes. They take the money from you and they determine how to spend it. I don't recall the exact inner workings, but I think most of the Inc. income comes from racer license fees. Inc. money is separate from North Chapter money.

The Inc BOD could set the banquet price to make a profit per seat, or like they did in the recent past, take away free seats from class sponsors to save some $$.

I was wondering why we only run 6 lap races @ T-Hill & B-Willow? All of the lap times are within 10 seconds from track to track. 6 laps are too short. Example of my race time at Sears of a 8 lap race, total time of the 8 laps not including the warm up or cool down is about 11 min 44 seconds. Now my total time of a 6 lap race at T-Hill would be around 9 min 12 seconds. With it being increased to 8 laps it would be 12 minutes 16 seconds. Which is 32 seconds longer than the 8 laps at Searspoint. Can we not afford this little extra time over a 13 race schedule. I think it can easily be done. We can probably save that time by just having Barb say something in the riders meeting about being on time for the warm up lap.

Hi Tim-

I'm personally not opposed to the idea, but there are some things that do need to be considered.

* Riders requested 6 laps... we should definitely collect input before making a unilateral decision
* Current lap count keeps the race distance approx equal amongst all tracks
* Longer track makes for longer breaks when we have to run the crash truck, ambulances, etc.
* Adding 2 laps at, 2 mins (avg?) each, will equate to an additional 52 minutes to the race day
* Saturday raceday is expected to go until approx 4:45pm with the inclusion of the Tag-Team event
* Additional classes will be added during the July round (USGPRU)
* 2 extra laps will increase lapping
* Thunderhill temps can reach above 110 degrees during the summer months

None of the issues listed above are show stoppers, if that was what the membership desired.

The extra needed time could be found, but should it be at no additional cost? It's no secret that member participation is still down. We need to find extra revenue/savings somewhere. Would the extra 2 laps increase participation at Thunderhill? Should we charge the existing participants more for the added benefit? Should we will fill the day with an additional class(es) for the existing participating members? Unknown at this point, but these are just some items to think about.

Off the cuff maybe this is something we could implement at the final race in Oct. Temps should be down to comfortable levels and we haven't scheduled any additional classes/races on Sunday yet.


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Cheers,
Shawn Reilly
President, American Federation of Motorcyclists
http://www.afmracing.org
AFM: Championship Roadracing since 1954

Who has the date on the Friday before the next Infineon race? It seems unclear from the Infineon website -- it's listed as "motorcycles" and "testing / EVO cars"

Thanks!
Steve

I too would like this information.
Thanks